Draft of my website: Emotional Climate Change

I am on facebook etc - but I found I am totally imune to digital dope - beer is much better anyway :-):joy:

Can you tell me more about that incident?

BTW: What does it mean that you are a campaigner?

Yes yes yes- I was feeling bad for not getting my daughter more toys- but guess what- she made an awesome doll house out of empty Kleenex boxes today with furniture and everything!

Not sure if this is the types of thing you were talking about… the other day I miss judged my timing of turning in front of an SUV as they were speeding- we’ll… they honked and actually drove head on for my car in anger swerving at the last minute realizing they were crazy. My daughter saw the whole thing and said Mommy- that driver tried to hit us!!

Campaigners get more messages about organization of HTC and have a more active role- sheparding new forum members etc… if you’d like to consider this let @aschrijver know- more activists, more good!! Glad you asked!

Cool - as long as she’s not 13+ :smile: )

No, SUV craze means the phenomenon of people largely favoring SUVs over cars, driven by a wish for superiority.

But there’s A LOT to be said about cars and drivers…

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I don’t think I will have the time.

But I will contact him (or her) in order to exchange and join forces.

It’s time to put movements like HTC to the next level!

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Hi Marcus, thanks for your posts here. Campaigners are those part of our Awareness Program, you can read more here: Call for Action: Join the Humane Tech Awareness program - From Awareness to Cultural Awakening!

Awareness is everything.

But I wonder if you or even Tristan are aware of the LSE mechanism I pointed out?!?
This is pure evil and must be acknowledged by HTC.

can you tell me more about that?

Yes, we do. It is among a range of harms at work, reinforcing each other and giving rise to even larger ones, like risks to the democratic process and civic breakdown. I agree that many people are too narrowly focused on loss of privacy. This is only where it starts. The need for personal data is only the ‘diesel’ for the surveillance capitalism machine that is functioning to exploit and control us, as mindless unthinking consuming masses, to maximize profits, influence and power. No care about all the things that ‘break’ along the way.

I have been formulating the concept that it’s not just the attention-based economy, that is just one symptom of something bigger than that. Digital as you mentioned isn’t the problem, the problem is the way the digital ecosystem was created. I like your concept of “cultural and mental impoverishment”, this is ever true. The mission here at CHT should be to formulate light where there is now darkness, and educate people in these new ways.

So the problem is that tech is hyper-competitve, extractive, selfish. Most people don’t know much about business or tech, but they sure feel the effects of the current extractive system. The system is one where young people torture themselves at school and work to get “ahead” in tech companies, only to find in the process they’ve lost their souls. In fact the tech companies themselves are like poison, death for any soul that enters. The trouble is that due to the current state of “cultural and mental impoverishment” people are just blind to the fact that they are even lost. What is missing is an education to make people more well-rounded, especially those software engineers and business people who would create tech-products and start-ups. I can tell you from personal experience these most of these people are impoverished mentally and culturally beyond all belief. Philosophy or ethics, these people never even heard of these things.

Tech is like no product humans have every created before because people do not have a choice of which tech products they use. The system of tech is stacked from the moment you buy a device, you already being tracked, marketed to, and being force-fed an ecosystem of products for whoever is paying the most for your attention. Everything from the design of your system, to the services you connect to (even in the background unknown to you), to the links, apps and software presented to you is pre-determined, and made to look like it is actually a choice we have when actually you’re trapped in a system “prison” you can not escape. Humanity is digitally enslaved so a handful of people like Mark Zuckerburg and Google founders can become billionaires, and so other people (including all tech employees) can get rich doing the dirty extractive work of the tech industry. And the sad thing is that these people are too numb to even realise the harm they are doing, because they have been brainwashed all their lives.

Instead what we need is a multi-stakeholder model of tech organisations, which respect users, employees, human flourishing and so on above profits. This model would obliterate the tech industry, because it is sustainable and if users (and businesses) were given an alternative complete and ethical tech ecosystem, they would choose it. The days of the tech industry as we know it are numbered, a new dawn is coming.

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Yes, I believe this is also the premise of Shoshana Zuboff’s book The Age of Surveillance Capitalism: The Fight for a Human Future at the New Frontier of Power. That we have self-perpetuating vicious circle, a new kind of rat race where ever more of our attention is extracted in more and more exploitative ways to keep the machine going. The loss of privacy and attention-extraction are at the inputs of this system, and as it spins it creates all kinds of harmful side-effects and entirely new, more dangerous harms.

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I wished it was so - I’m afraid it’s not.
At least change is not foreseeable.

That’s why I see no other way but forming a “real” movement by uniting actually existing orgs like CFAR, effective altruism and CHT.

Such movement must strive to become as big as the ecology movement in the 80s in Germany.
I have many thoughts on that and cant wait to meet, talk and take action.

I was asking around online but nobody even rais an eybrow.
That’s why I am really hoping to find some open ears here.

Who knows if CHT is connected to CFAR or EA ?
Is there already some kind of meta org to join forces?

Such org could be called
THE ALLIANCE
THE BLUE MOVEMENT
EMO MOVEMENT

Ideas like rationalism will only scare john doe away.

Once that exists we can take it to the streets!

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I could see how that’s confusing. Since I misunderstood your comment on SUV’s it’s getting off topic now- but my husband noted he experienced road ragers on the same day (separate cars). Hard to explain writing out on a forum.

Nonetheless, even if things seem very bleak and may be turning for the worse currently, we’ll adapt a positive approach, not mired in doom & gloom. Each tiny step towards improvement is one more towards the dawn of a bright new day. In our analogy of ‘pyramid-building’ we recognize we are just one team of many. Actively seeking partnerships is part of our strategy in this.

You could take a look at our Community Principles in the pinned announcement and our Open Canvas that summarizes that and adds some more context.

So are you working together with these or others?
Which?

Yes good question! I agree this organisation needs to imminently branch out to other social organisations as well as tech, business, education and software communities. Perhaps you could tell us more about CFAR and Effective Altruism and how to potentially link?

Also my view of tech seeing a paradigm shift soon are based on my personal area of expertise. There is now ever-present talk of ethics and surveillance capitalism in the US tech and business worlds. We have also been in a situation for the last number of years where we have been stuck with a few ultra-wealthy tech monopolies stifling innovation, progress and choice yet also hogging profits and r&d. We also have had many recent security problems with tech, propaganda meddling, and are seeing tech is becoming central to public life such as transportation and health. In other words the current trajectory of for profit greed is so bad that it can not possibly continue. It should become clear to many people that given the current trends in this paragraph, someone will see the business case or social organisation case to redo the tech ecosystem into a secure, open source, public benefit system. There is tremendous opportunity, for interesting projects, for profit, for non-profts, for people interested in working in ethical tech who are currently disillusioned with the current terrible “culture” of tech and understand that the future will be better and not look like the present mess.

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Just done!

Sorry, I doubt that.
But it doesnt matter: we just continue under the assumption the system has to be changed from the outside until we know better.

Currently not cooperating. We are in the midst of a community reorganisation, but partnering will be a core strategy in that.

What / where is this community?
I went lengths to find something like this…
Is it offline?

You’re on it now, in fact :slight_smile:

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