# On the problem of defining "Humane"

**URL:** <https://community.humanetech.com/t/on-the-problem-of-defining-humane/4729>\
**Category:** Humane design\
**Tags:** idea, collaborate, awareness, humane-technology, humane-design, anti-work\
**Created:** [March 6, 2020, 3:13am UTC](https://community.humanetech.com/t/on-the-problem-of-defining-humane/4729 "2020-03-06T03:13:05Z")\
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**Post date:** [March 10, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://community.humanetech.com/t/on-the-problem-of-defining-humane/4729/7 "2020-03-10T05:31:19Z")

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> [@hans](#):
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> Continuing from my commentary in the “Anti-Work” thread…

NOTE: link to Han’s referenced post is [The Anti-Work Phenomenon: Can you explain it? (plus, a new perspective on Work) - #22 by hans](http://community.humanetech.com/t/the-anti-work-phenomenon-can-you-explain-it-plus-a-new-perspective-on-work/4688/22)

> [@hans](#):
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> My perception is that a lot of the discussion around this problem is aimed at trying to find a “systems solution” or “policy solution”. The fly in that ointment is that all systems and policy solutions imaginable (by me, anyway) can be defeated by people not caring about people (if that’s what’s trendy).

People caring about people is absolutely essential. And we should also be able to scale this “care”, hence the talk of systemic solutions using design & policy.

Capra on UN, SDGs, values/ethics - Wahl says “not happening enough” [Fritjof and Daniel Wahl discuss: Using values, ethics and the SDGs to change society on Vimeo](https://vimeo.com/391367528) cc: @gctwnl

Capra on ethics [Fritjof Capra's presentation on ethics on Vimeo](https://vimeo.com/298676647)

see more: [Capra Course](https://vimeo.com/capracourse)

> [@hans](#):
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> The only solution I can think of is to decide for myself that I care, and to try to behave accordingly… even if that puts me in a small, non-trendy minority for the rest of my existence… and reduces my paycheck as well. So be it.

@hans Doing the right thing oneself is a great way to start, possibly the best way ethically that one can start. But it’s not all said and done until you add a multiplier to the mix: we need to be able to inspire more and start a chain reaction. Otherwise, most people will continue preferring the higher paycheck.

> [@hans](#):
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> Rotsa ruck…

Scooby-Dooby-Doo!

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